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<journal-title>Climate of the Past Discussions</journal-title>
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<article-title>On misleading solar-climate relationship</article-title>
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<contrib-group><contrib contrib-type="author" xlink:type="simple"><name name-style="western"><surname>Legras</surname>
<given-names>B.</given-names>
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<sup>1</sup>
</xref>
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<contrib contrib-type="author" xlink:type="simple"><name name-style="western"><surname>Mestre</surname>
<given-names>O.</given-names>
</name>
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<sup>2</sup>
</xref>
</contrib>
<contrib contrib-type="author" xlink:type="simple"><name name-style="western"><surname>Bard</surname>
<given-names>E.</given-names>
</name>
<xref ref-type="aff" rid="aff3">
<sup>3</sup>
</xref>
</contrib>
<contrib contrib-type="author" xlink:type="simple"><name name-style="western"><surname>Yiou</surname>
<given-names>P.</given-names>
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<sup>4</sup>
</xref>
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<label>1</label>
<addr-line>Laboratoire de Météorologie Dynamique, UMR 8539, IPSL, CNRS/ENS/UPMC/Ecole Polytechnique/ENPC, Paris, France</addr-line>
</aff>
<aff id="aff2">
<label>2</label>
<addr-line>Ecole Nationale de la Météorologie, Météo France, and Institut de Mathématiques de Toulouse, Toulouse, France</addr-line>
</aff>
<aff id="aff3">
<label>3</label>
<addr-line>CEREGE, UMR 6635, CNRS/Université Aix-Marseille/IRD/Collège de France, Aix-en-Provence, France</addr-line>
</aff>
<aff id="aff4">
<label>4</label>
<addr-line>Laboratoire des Sciences du Climat et de l&apos;Environnement, UMR 8212, IPSL, CEA/CNRS/UVSQ, Gif-sur-Yvette, France</addr-line>
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<pub-date pub-type="epub">
<day>11</day>
<month>05</month>
<year>2010</year>
</pub-date>
<volume>6</volume>
<issue>3</issue>
<fpage>767</fpage>
<lpage>800</lpage>
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<p>A key issue of climate change is to identify the forcings and their relative
contributions. Solar-climate relationship is currently the matter of a fierce
debate. We address here the need for high quality observations and adequate
statistical approach. A recent work by Le Mouël  et al. (2010) and its companion
paper by Kossobokov et al. (2010) show spectacular correlations between solar
activity and meteorological parameters. We question both the data and the
method used in these works. We stress 1) that correlation with solar forcing
alone is meaningless unless other forcings are properly accounted and that
sunspot counting is a poor indicator of solar irradiance, 2) that long series
of temperature require homogenization to remove historical artefacts that
affect long term variability, 3) that incorrect application of statistical
tests leads to interpret as significant a signal which arises from pure
random fluctuations. As a consequence, we reject the results and the
conclusions of Le Mouël  et al. (2010) and Kossobokov et al. (2010). We believe
that our contribution bears some general interest in removing confusion from
the scientific debate.</p>
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